"Forget
You Not":
H o l o c a u s t
S u r v i v
o r s a n d
R e m e m b r a n c
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The Holocaust Combative Page
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WE
PRESENT HEREIN "SENSITIVE" AND
CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES
AS WE SCAN, "CHEW," AND TAKE EXCEPTION TO
CERTAIN REPRESENTATIONS OF THE
HOLOCAUST
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The
Lion of the Biblical Judah (Yehuda)
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B a c k g r o u n d
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Nazi's
Holocaust,
as a genocide occurrence, is a complex
subject that has been studied and
represented from numerous "angles" and
covering a vast array of subjects.
The type of
issues that most caught our attention
questioned whether we have a stand or a
point of view to any of the "sensitive"
issues related to the Holocaust, and if
so, whether we can find a place in our
website where they can be aired.
Particularly, we have been asked whether
the Holocaust views of Jewish people or
establishments can be challenged in here
or if they are immune of any such
scrutiny, taking into consideration that
any such criticism may inevitably alienate
some Jewish groups, associations, or
persons.
In entertaining
the questions about our "view" on the
"sensitive" issues of the Holocaust, we
recognized quickly two things:
- that we have
not one but many views; and
- that whatever
view or views we may have to a
particular issue, they are just that
--our views for what they are worth,
and are perhaps of little or no
importance, in the grand scale of
things.
In entertaining
the question of whether a Jewish person or
establishment can be criticized in here,
we saw no problem with that, as criticism
between us, in here, is very common and
much encouraged to the point that is being
demanded.
Thus, pondering
of how to respond to all this, we decided
that the best course of action would be to
publish in here important controversial
issues (from Jews and non-Jews alike) that
were deemed to have merit and legitimacy
related to our work through queries and
through selected viewpoints regardless of
one's ethnical or religious
background.
In addition, we
recognized that there will be situations
indeed when we have to do much more than
presenting queries and controversial
viewpoints of others, as we will be forced
to take our own stand on a particular
issue, discovery, or rebuttal related to
our work. In such rare situations,
specific
articles
dealing with that type of issues shall be
presented in here by the Managing Editor.
As for the
Holocaust
deniers,
the so-called Revisionists, and the likes
that are engaged not to revise History but
to deny its existence, we have nothing to
consider or debate herein as they are well
outside of our sphere of interest. For
them, not to be ignored, we have made a
"Free Speech"
page carrying this motto:
"Don't bother me with facts as I
see what I want to see ..."
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And
speaking of Holocaust deniers,
the current president of Iran,
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (that denies
the existence of the
Holocaust) has sponsored a
Holocaust cartoon contest.
[sic!] In response to
that, we have created our own
webpage on that masquerade,
entitled
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"A Contest
of Brotherly Love,
Iranian Governmental
Style."
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Thank you for coming here.
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QUERIES:
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QUERY:
- How
History should judge the
Judenrat?
On
Judenrat and the Nazi
Holocaust
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The
memory of the
collaboration
between the
Judenrat and
the Nazis has
tortured me for
years.
How do I dare
to call it
collaboration
when the
Judenrat had
presumably no
choice?
I dare because
I saw what
happened and I
experience it.
I dare because
I want to
understand how
the Nazis
corrupted the
Judenrat, left
the Jewish
population
leaderless, and
expedited the
Final
Solution.
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Edwin
Langberg,
Holocaust
Survivor,
Princeton Univ.
Ph.D, and the
Author of the
2003 book
"Sara's
Blessing"
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On
the Complex Issue of the
Judenrat Component of
the
Holocaust
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From
The Simon Wiesenthal
Center:
JUDENRAT:
The Jewish councils
appointed or elected to
carry out Nazi orders in
the Jewish communities
of occupied Europe.
It
is hard to judge their
actions due to the
abnormal circumstances.
Some believe they
betrayed the Jews by
obeying orders, and
others think they were
trying to gain time and
save as many people as
possible.
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Judenrat
Leaders
The
Germans imposed Jewish
councils (Judenrate) on
the Jewish communities
of occupied Europe. In
addition to
administering welfare
and social institutions,
Judenrat leaders were
compelled to enforce
German orders, including
assisting in
deportations to death
camps. Their responses
ranged from full
compliance to
suicide.
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Summary
Background on Jewish
Councils (called
Judenrate)
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QUERY:
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Aerial
reconnaissance
photograph of Auschwitz
showing Auschwitz II
(Birkenau)
taken by the U.S. Air
Force between April 4,
1944 and January 15,
1945.
The
photos were discovered
in the Defense
Intelligence Archives by
two CIA photo analysts
in 1978.
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RE - In Focus: Oxford
University
Dr. Andrew Wilkie's Lab:
Israeli Jews Need Not
Apply
SUBJECT: Israelis and the high
moral ground of the
Holocaust
QUERY:
- Should
political views be injected
into the flow of
science?
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3-PART QUERY:
ON
YAD VASHEM'S "RIGHTEOUS AMONG THE
NATIONS"
PROGRAM:
- 1.
What, if any, mechanism and
criteria is currently in place
for rescinding a "Righteous
Among the Nations" title and,
how many annulments, if any,
have been issued?,
- 2.
Can one become a "Righteous"
if that respective person
(irrespective of the person's
deeds), later in life, has
been transformed into a hater
of Jews and/or a Holocaust
denier?, and finally,
- 3.
Has the time not come for the
Yad Vashem's "Righteous"
program to be amended so that
the "Righteous" title be
solely based on a person's
deeds regarding of that
person's race, creed, or
religion?
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EDITOR'S
(COMBATIVE)
ARTICLES:
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NOTE:
Unwilling or unable to deal
with the issues raised by our
posted critical studies, some
that were affected herein
joined forces not in debating
the issues at hand, but to
follow the old adage: if you
cannot attack the message,
attack the messenger! All the
"responses" received from the
affected individuals were
nothing but 'sour grapes'. The
odd Feinstein-Ganor-Saul
triangle formed or
Hill
or Tilove
or Saul's
most recent
individual attacks on the
messenger --are all examples
of that desperate and pathetic
'sour grapes' approach. By all
means, let them enjoy their
'sour grapes' if this is the
only thing that they are
capable of
producing...
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The
Hiram "Harry"
Bingham IV Case:
Unlocking Uncle Harry's
Secrets
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I.
Opening Statement
II.
Hiram Bingham IV in Marseille,
France
III.
Unlocking Uncle Harry's 1st
Secret:
He
Was No Hero of the Holocaust
and Rescuer of Jews
IV.
Unlocking Uncle Harry's 2nd
Secret:
He Was No Angel
V.
Unlocking Uncle Harry's 3rd
Secret:
Transformed Into a Hater of
Jews and a Holocaust
Denier
VI.
Concluding Statement
VII.
The Final Outcome of This
Complex Case:
A Good Man with a Heart of
Gold but No Hero of the
Holocaust
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On
March 4, 2008,
Dr. Stephen
Feinstein, 65,
died
unexpectedly
of
a brain aortic
aneurysm (that
resulted in a
heart attack)
while
speaking
at The Sabes
Foundation
Minneapolis
Jewish Film
Festival.
May he rest in
peace.
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Editor's
Critical Assessment
On the Current Mainstream
Definitions and Usage of the Word
'Holocaust'
[Blasting
Dr. Stephen Feinstein's
Preposterous Holocaust
Course]
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"The
poor guy
[Brattman] who
runs this site
[iSurvived.org],
couldn't understand Elie
Wiesel's statement
that the Holocaust is
a mystery
[sic!] going
alongside a statement
that it can be narrated
in a logical way, the
opinion of most
historians."
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Dr.
Stephen Feinstein,
Minesota Monitor,
(Posted and Retracted),
Dec. 15, 2006.
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Editor's
Note: Only
Holocaust
deniers embrace
such a view
that "the
Holocaust is a
mystery" and no
such
preposterous
statement is to
be found
attributed to
Elie Wiesel. In
his 1969
Memoir,
"And
The Sea Is
Never
Full"
and elsewhere,
Elie Wiesel
repeatedly
talks about how
difficult is
for one to
comprehend the
enormous and
unamiginable
calamity of the
Holocaust. But
that difficulty
and struggle in
our
comprehension
of the
magnitude of
that tragedy
needs not be
twisted around
to regard the
Holocaust as
being a
"mystery" which
clearly it was
not.
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NOTE
1: As a result of this
posted critical
study
on the current
mainstream definitions
of the Holocaust and the
blasting of
Dr. Stephen
Feinstein's preposterous
Holocaust course, this
website
<iSurvived.org> is
now ranked No. 1 in
Dr. Stephen
Feinstein's
Blacklist,
surpasssing even the
No. 1 Holocaust
Denier website, on the
grounds that this
<iSurvived.org>
website is
"Very combattive
[aka 'combative']
and arrogant site"
[sic!].
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"They
don't like me in
Israel."
Dr. Paulsson
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Nor
do they like him in
Academia,
anywhere.
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Posting
Dr. Gunnar Steve Paulsson's
Analyses and Views on Poland
During the Holocaust
Years:
I.
On
the Marginal Role of Poles In
Abetting the Nazi
Perpetrators
Editor's
Note: On May 27,
2004, in response to
some members of the
Polish Community from
California, we posted an
editorial entitled
"Poland's
Past During the
Holocaust VS. Poland's
Present Remembrance of
its Wartime
Victims"
where, inter alia, this
remark was made by this
editor
that during the
Holocaust years,
"the
overwhelming
great majority
of Poles at
best remained
indifferent and
at worst
committed
atrocities
beyond any
human
dimension."
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That
statement caught the
attention of Dr.
Paulsson who provided a
lengthy refutal that is
posted in full
herein.
.Dr. Paulsson
thesis and premise that
"the Jews of Poland
where under no
particular threat prior
to their ghettoization"
is preposterous beyond
words reaching perhaps
the level of the Absurd
as it contradicts a
massive body of prima
facie evidence.
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.Dr. Paulsson
's views and
"research"
purporting to
represent
mainstream
Holocaust
scholarly work
is anything but
that. No
surprise that
in Israel he is
considered to
be an outcast.
"They don't
like me in
Israel"
[sic!],
noted Dr.
Paulsson.
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No
surprise that
Dr. Paulsson is
not being liked
anywhere in
academia,
either. Indeed,
only four (4)
years after he
got his Ph.D.,
in 1998, no
academic
center,
anywhere in the
world, has
wanted to have
anything to do
with
Dr. Paulsson.
"So academia is
out --what
now?," is
asking
Dr. Paulsson
with respect to
his future in a
posted
blog
of
Feb. 11, 2008.
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As
Dr. Paulsson
noted
in the
same
blog,
"it's
been
10
years
since
I got
my
Ph.D.
and
not a
hint
of a
tenure-track
post
anywhere."
Dr. Paulsson,
since
2002
is a
freelancer,
although
as he
noted
in the
referenced
blog
"I've
tried
going
into
business
--not
where
my
talents
lie,
I lost
$200,000
--and
freelancing,
no
money
there.
So I'm
stumped."
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.Dr. Paulsson,
for sure, cannot find
refuge under the
umbrella that he is of
Jewish descent nor that
his mother (according to
him) apparently was a
survivor of Auschwitz
and Ravensbruck
camps.
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Editor's
Note:
In Dr. Paulsson's
additional commentary
posted in full
herein,
he notes that when he
stated that
"the
Jews of Poland
where under
no
particular
threat
prior to their
ghettoization,"
he
"of course
ment that their
lives were not
yet
threatened."
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that "of course" is
anyone's guess as no
person in his/her normal
state of mind can reach
such inference.
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The
threat against Polish
Jews prior to to their
ghettoization was most
visible indeed through
many forms of
manifestation that
ultimately --during the
Holocaust years--
culminated with their
lives. The massive grief
and sufferings of the
Jewish Polish population
prior to to their
ghettoization is beyond
dispute through the
existing massive body of
prima facie
evidence.
.Dr. Paulsson's
new commentary
represents, in the view
of this editor,
an academic exercise
into the abyss employing
bizarre and incoherent
reasoning as the one
exemplified below:
"many
Jews felt
threatened
...but
there was as
yet no
concrete
threat that
the Poles could
be expected to
respond to."
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type of argument and
double talk that there
was a treat but not a
"concrete threat"
[sic!] --which
is the premise upon
which his entire
argument is build-up--
is completely
nonsensical particularly
when he notes
subsequently that in
fact some 300,000 Jews
saw an imminent threat
to their livelihood as
they fled Poland. That
kind of wish-wash talk
and academic garbage
need not be left
unexposed and be allowed
to pass
unchallenged.
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Polish
Jews fleeing
Poland for no
apparent reason
and without a
"concrete
threat"
according to
Dr. Paulsson's
"research" and
view posted
herein.
Photo
Credit:
<vilnaghetto.com/gallery/album11/Polish_Holocaust_Fleeing_Jews>
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"Kafkaesque
Dilemma":
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This
Holocaust Remembrance Website Is
Supplying Reputable Holocaust
Information
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A Real Problem for Jonathan
Tilove:
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"ISurvived
is mostly a compendium of
Holocaust information
built through links to hundreds
of reputable Holocaust archives
and Jewish education sites."
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Why
Google and other Internet search
engines are ranking this website
"so high in their
results"?
--
Jonathan Tilove's consuming
question as "no evidence of any
deceptive practice" was found to
exist.
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..Let
Jonathan Tilove, the good and
careful reporter, and the like
angels struggle with this dilemma
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Bucharest,
Romania.
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HOLOCAUST
(CONTROVERSIAL) VIEWS:
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Andrew
Hollinger, Paul Shapiro, Arthur
Berger, Sara Bloomfield Must Resign
from the USHMM
The
1933 Vatican Concordat With Hitler's
Reich
by
Robert A. Krieg, Professor of
theology at the University of Notre
Dame,
USA.
Did
the Holocaust Play a Role in the
Establishment of the State of
Israel?
The
Holocaust, Israel and
Us
by
Rabbi Barry H. Block
Essay
Linking Liberal Jews and
Anti-Semitism Sparks a
Furor
America,
Franklin D. Roosevelt and the
Holocaust
How
Bush's Grandfather Helped Hitler's
Rise to Power
On
Poland's Past During the Holocaust
VS.
Poland's Present Remembrance of its
Holocaust
Victims
by
K. K. Brattman
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Questioning the Poles anti-Semitism
during the Holocaust Years:
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An
Enduring Myth: "The Poles
Were Worse Than the
Nazis."
by
Deborah
Lipstadt
Editor's
Bite:
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The
Poles may
not have
been
worse
than the
Nazis,
but for
sure they
were not
far
behind
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Please
see the
references
below:
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The
Killing
After the
Killing
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After
the
Holocaust
ended in
1945,
Poland's
surviving
Jews
still
faced
hatred
from
their
fellow
citizens.
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Anti-Semitism
and The
Holocaust
<karisable.com/crnazi.htm>
Poland
was
Germany's
dress
rehearsal
for
the
slaughter
of
Jews...
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.Hitler
Strikes
Poland:
Blitzkrieg,
Ideology,
and
Atrocity
by
Alexander
B.
Rossino
Publisher:
University
Press of
Kansas
(2003)
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Poland,
One Year
After
Auschwitz,
Being
Involved
In the
Worst
Peacetime
Pogrom in
20th-century
Europe
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Jews
being
buried in
Kielce,
Poland,
in 1946
--one
year
after the
Nazi
Holocaust
ended, as
a result
of the
Kielce
massacre
committed
by
ordinary
Polish
citizens
against
their own
neighbouring
Jews that
were able
to
survive
the
Holocaust
and
return
back to
their
homes.
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<mut-gegen-rechte-gewalt.de/eng/news/poland/>
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From
The New
York
Times:
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From
Washington
Post:
Remarks
by Elie
Wiesel
Mourners
at the
burial of
victims
of the
Kielce
pogrom,
Poland,
July 1946.
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May
God Have
Mercy on
Poland's
Monstrous
Anti-Semitic
Deeds, Or
Nobody
Will.
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Poland
Debates its post-Holocaust
History and
anti-Semitism
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and
the book review
The
Power of
Hate
by
Dr. Laurence Weinbaum
One
survivor cited by
Michlic
noted:
"For years the
Poles have been
dreaming of
getting rid of the
Jews and now at
last Hitler does
it for them.... At
bottom they are
delighted, however
horrified by the
inhuman cruelty.
The Krauts
devouring the
Kikes: what could
be
sweeter?"
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Shimon
Peres's Exercise into the
Absurd:
A
Presidential
Exoneration
by
Dr. Efraim Zuroff, chief
Nazi-hunter of the Simon
Wiesenthal
Center
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Krakow
Church of 2008 Holds
Service Under the Posters
Declaring:
"The
Kikes Will Not Continue to
Spit on
Us."
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Watch
Out, Israel!
The Holocaust is Coming to Get
You!
by
Sam Schulman (Jewish World
Review).
Commentary
by Dr. Gerhard Falk on the so-called
"Holocaust
Industry"
A
Blistering Critique by Professor
Omer Bartov on Norman G.
Finkelstein's Book
"The Holocaust Industry"
Ward
Churchill's "Assaults on Truth and
Memory"
[making
the case of the Jewish bias research
claims that led in camouflaging the
historic parity between the Gypsies
and the Jews as victims of the
Holocaust.]
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for further material to be included in here are
welcome.
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those affected or distressed by our critical views,
we offer no apologies...
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